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MallFoodSucks t1_j10xhtg wrote

Ironically, jobs that look to see what was created by AI vs. not. Art created by AI will be worthless, while ones created by humans will remain valuable. You’ll see ‘experts’ who are trained to look for human work vs. AI work for in-demand fields.

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mechmind t1_j1114fu wrote

Yeah I was thinking that any art created before 2022 will be more valuable just on principle that it was not made by an AI.

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Sonoshitthereiwas t1_j112g7e wrote

Until another AI tries to mimic it, then the original AI will be worth money while the fake AI will not. Gonna be interesting to see that play out in 100 years.

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zelmoghazy t1_j11340b wrote

AI will allow a new generation of artists to create an entirely new genre of art, just like electonic music producers did with synths and music production software, it will be a tool just like any tool for human art

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spiderborland t1_j10xlmx wrote

I'm pretty sure the top job we'll all be clambering for will be Human Battery.

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bacchusbastard t1_j110ub6 wrote

Yeah I think you're right. I think that we are going to power some a.i. stuff in and or on the body.

I don't know if we will all have implants, perhaps so, but I wonder if that would make us post natural, and what the potential drawbacks are to that.

Perhaps we do not generate enough heat to or whatever to make the cynthetic organism operate.

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Few_Carpenter_9185 t1_j11ehex wrote

Anything human powered is going to be for the benefit of the human wearing it. And because it's convenient, shrinks the size, removes the need for batteries, recharging, and whatnot.

For any sort of dedicated computing, human energy is about the worst possible way of getting power.

The entire Matrix movie concept of "humans in pods producing energy" was just a second-hand plot device. Originally, the humans in pods were to be for using human brains as srevers/CPUs that the AIs needed to run on as software. A factor in the human/AI war was that producing the chips that made AI possible was a closely guarded secret, and after the war, the AIs needed a data center to live in.

The Matrix simulation was to keep the human brains occupied and functioning and act as an operating system for the "server farm". The "something in your mind you know is there, but just can't quite figure out" was to be the AI's running on the "90% of your brain you don't use" popular myth/falsehood.

In the first movie where Morpheous gives Neo the history lesson in the construct and at the end shows him a Duracell battery, he was going to hold up a Pentium-like CPU chip.

It explains everything much better, why the Agents could take over any convenient human's manifestation in the Matrix. Why the free humans in the Matrix had all the supernatural kung-fu abilities because they had use of 100% of their brain...

Alas, the Matrix was confusing as hell as it was to 1/2 of the IQ bell-curve, and they switched to the battery/power-plant idea to simplify things a bit.

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bacchusbastard t1_j11kvii wrote

Well. That's all cool but, I am aware that humans can produce enough electricity to power LEDs. At least that was like ten years ago. I don't think that implants or a suit would need much processing power. It would be connected to the brain and or a supercomputer wirelessly for intuitive function. I think that if we have a sort of dry suit that keeps in our heat and helps to regulate conditions for us.

I think that as we evolve we will raise our vibrations and the energy that we produce. There will be energy radiating from us and that energy can be fed to some sort of interdependent semi sentient, autonomous/intuitive, or whatever. Whether is be cybernetic, organic, or something cosmic, it will be as our "better half"

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bushpotatoe t1_j10u5wm wrote

Someone has to maintain the machines, and someone has to write the code. The more AI steps into the working force the more jobs like this will manifest from it.

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reidlos1624 t1_j10xv8u wrote

AI can't operate in a vacuum either. Most of these systems are able to create confident sounding answers but when it comes to actual creativity and innovation they fall flat. There's some easy stuff they can do but without supervision they're going to fuck a lot of it up.

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INamedTheDogYoda t1_j110yce wrote

They already have self repairing computers and AI written code. These jobs might exist for a short while, but not in the long term.

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SlowCrates t1_j10tzvt wrote

Unless I'm not understanding the question, I'm fairly certain this is a significant talking point regarding AI. I'm sure a simple Google search could find plenty of conversations.

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reidlos1624 t1_j10xl7t wrote

Among certain circles maybe but mainstream media doesn't sell hope, it sells doom and gloom. AI will do a lot of good things.

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Few_Carpenter_9185 t1_j11h7ik wrote

This, oh so much this. "If it bleeds, it leads." is the operating premise of the media.

And they're not wrong in a sense. Human pessimism is a finely tuned evolutionary trait going well back before we were ever even H. Sapiens. If you don't appeal to that, no views, no clicks.

The ape who freaked out and ran at every rustle in the bushes, 99 times it was just a bird or whatever, that one time it was a leopard looking for lunch is all that matters. That ape lived and passed on its genes. The ape that relaxed, and thought, "Meh, probably just a bird..." was eaten, and is not your great to the umpteenth power grandparent.

We've only had agriculture for 6% of human existence. The percentage of time where anybody on the planet was relatively able to expect freedom from most diseases and starvation, much less indoor plumbing, electricity, antibiotics, computers... all of it, is a decimal percentage with so many zeroes on it, that it's not worth mentioning.

A simple Google search for "the world is getting better graphs" and reading some of the related web pages or articles is an enlightening exercise.

And this is for 8 billion people. If you're old enough, you'll remember the 1960s or 70s when we were all supposed to have starved when the world reached the impossible population numbers of 5 or 6 billion, and be scrounging for survival in the radioactive wasteland of the inevitable WWIII with the Soviet Union.

(Looks around)

I can't grow a decent Mohawk, I'm too bald. And I seem to have misplaced my body armor of sports pads and cut up car tires. And no idea where my crossbow and machete went. Weird.

I guess this smartphone I'm posting to Reddit with would ruin the look anyway.

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Few_Carpenter_9185 t1_j11h8eu wrote

This, oh so much this. "If it bleeds, it leads." is the operating premise of the media.

And they're not wrong in a sense. Human pessimism is a finely tuned evolutionary trait going well back before we were ever even H. Sapiens. If you don't appeal to that, no views, no clicks.

The ape who freaked out and ran at every rustle in the bushes, 99 times it was just a bird or whatever, that one time it was a leopard looking for lunch is all that matters. That ape lived and passed on its genes. The ape that relaxed, and thought, "Meh, probably just a bird..." was eaten, and is not your great to the umpteenth power grandparent.

We've only had agriculture for 6% of human existence. The percentage of time where anybody on the planet was relatively able to expect freedom from most diseases and starvation, much less indoor plumbing, electricity, antibiotics, computers... all of it, is a decimal percentage with so many zeroes on it, that it's not worth mentioning.

A simple Google search for "the world is getting better graphs" and reading some of the related web pages or articles is an enlightening exercise.

And this is for 8 billion people. If you're old enough, you'll remember the 1960s or 70s when we were all supposed to have starved when the world reached the impossible population numbers of 5 or 6 billion, and be scrounging for survival in the radioactive wasteland of the inevitable WWIII with the Soviet Union.

(Looks around)

I can't grow a decent Mohawk, I'm too bald. And I seem to have misplaced my body armor of sports pads and cut up car tires. And no idea where my crossbow and machete went. Weird.

I guess this smartphone I'm posting to Reddit with would ruin the look anyway.

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MaybeACoder007 t1_j10ur2u wrote

Despite the cringe form my community (coders)… it may actually keep or maintain coding jobs.

It sounds counter intuitive but AI isn’t great at unsupervised ML. I know that plenty of people would disagree… but it’s really true.

Moreover, let’s say an AI designs a more efficient rail system (ChatGPT says it can’t create new things well as is the case with most AI hence the bad at Unsupervised ML) there would still be people needed to build the infrastructure of the rail system.

The jobs that AI will directly create will most likely be in the tech sector or by people specifically educated to use it in the best way. (supervise/build/maintain repositories)

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gregtx t1_j10xxsq wrote

I think that it will create many jobs that may not have been there previously. I don’t know many companies that have teams of statisticians manually piling over mountains of data looking for trends that might influence their decision making. Most companies still don’t make many data driven decisions outside of financials analysis. I think we are going to see a rise in the sheer amount of data being generated and stored (so DBAs will be in higher demand), the structures will need to become more normalized (architects and developers will be very busy), the AIs will need to be trained (data scientists will be a HOT commodity), and there is probably going to be an evolving skill set of someone that can kinda bridge many of these areas and also somehow relate the research back to the ultimate benefit of the business.

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StrataMind t1_j10v9nl wrote

They will create jobs that will require a neural link to perform.

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Chalkarts t1_j10v5q6 wrote

Once they’ve become capable of programming and maintenance without us, they won’t create. They will consume, much like a human billionaire.

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Special_Copy_8668 t1_j11048n wrote

Jobs that requires different skills than the ones they replace. Critical thinking, technical skills, creativity, innovation need to replace routine less skilled labor. The question is, how many people are able to be upskilled?

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Feefifiddlyeyeoh t1_j1192bf wrote

This is the first time I’ve seen an instance where, the initial post has been [removed], but there is a list of comments. Makes for interesting reading, since I don’t know the topic

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chriscov t1_j10yoqb wrote

Oh, that's easy.... there's only one answer to this... career advisers and job centre staff.

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MasterShoNuffTLD t1_j10z0n3 wrote

AI in its form now is just very good pattern recognition..

That’s why your voice on automated responses works without training it , and using computers can recognize faces etc. It has taken this long to get a computer that can do what your brain does in recognizing patterns this is why you can read different peoples handwriting as another simple example.

So it won’t create anything or really take anything away yet imo. Those skills are pretty useless on their own but will help fields where finding patterns in large amounts of data are important. IE medicine, sciences etc..

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Gofein t1_j10zp16 wrote

I keep hearing the term “Promt-Masters” thrown around mostly ironically

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HaiKarate t1_j1118sj wrote

I'm thinking that future work will be in levels of AI interaction.

At the lowest level, the AI is doing everything and you're just there to clean up after it. Think AI robots running restaurants; humans are just there to clean, maintain, and restock.

At the highest level, you're a highly knowledgeable industry professional consulting with your AI bot, who is writing various analyses on your behalf, and you're there to make the final decision on spending (because humans don't trust AI to spend blindly).

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plopseven t1_j111ufe wrote

In theory, they could complete complex coding requests for people who don’t understand coding.

You could have an idea for an app or program and tell a computer to make that program for you.

The problem is that by allowing anyone to do this, the market for people who will be replaced by these programs will cause more people to lose jobs than they will ever be able to fill.

Think about how photography used to be something that you needed a specialized professional with tools and training for in the 1800s and now everyone has a phone in their pocket - no experience needed.

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squall6l t1_j113c8b wrote

Social workers focused on unemployment benefits will in high demand.

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cjboffoli t1_j1145d4 wrote

Man, I just want a robot to take care of me when I'm old. I gotta say I thought we'd be a bit further along by now. And I'm in GenX so I'm starting to worry. And they wouldn't have to look and work as well as Ex Machina. Though that certainly wouldn't hurt.

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BirdieHo t1_j1147dt wrote

AI has already made the painters to unionize, that's for starters

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Anastariana t1_j11481a wrote

People who fix robots, generally.

Also people who can debug AI programs that run amok.

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Thatingles t1_j115ngk wrote

Initially AI will create a lot of jobs exploiting its new capabilities, but as it improves it will also be capable of taking on those roles. The entire point of an AGI is that it is as capable as a human (and then eventually more competent).

Things worth bearing in mind:

  1. Once a machine exceeds human performance in a task, humans never regain the lead.

  2. Technology is progressing, not staying still, so machines get better over time whereas humans as a species aren't improving at the same rate

  3. Humans don't operate on magic, so eventually everything we do will be replicable.

At some point the work available will be purely about the quality of human to human interaction, which will retain value just as hand-made still has a place in the market for manufactured goods.

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Few_Carpenter_9185 t1_j11bnbq wrote

Part of it comes down to what AI can do physically.

I suspect that we'll see some more displacement in the knowledge fields well before we see ones requiring physical work. The adoption of legal management systems for searching and updating contracts and other legal filings has taken a big bite out of the demand for lawyers and paralegals already.

Because if the physical jobs were amenable to automation, many more of them would have been already. In many cases, the bottleneck there hasn't been a lack of AI. Current software and computers are well up to the task already in many instances. The cost/effort required to actually manipulate a physical process effectively with automation is the big factor.

There's edge cases where (weak)AI and machine learning can make the difference, and it'll creep into physical work tasks eventually. But it's more a factor of economy of scale for the physical robots, and the entire logistics of reworking a business, factory, a farm, a mine, etc. than it's an issue of "not smart enough."

And it's difficult to predict what exactly AI will make more efficient, eliminating jobs, vs. creating entirely new ventures and industries that require more employment.

Take the internal combustion engine and vehicles. The automobile in every aspect employed orders of magnitude more people than the stable hands, hay farmers, horseshoe blacksmiths, and street sweepers it displaced. Car salesmen, mechanics, oil/gas workers, road construction, automobile factory workers, engineers, designers, the list goes on...

On the other hand, farmers went from about 30% of the US population by employment to roughly 2% today. And of that 2% today, that's "agriculture related," so some are presumably doing things like operating grain elevators, various technical things, or whatever. And aren't directly "farming." All because of the tractor, and other machines like the combine.

Those who claim that AI and automation can and will displace almost everyone eventually aren't completely wrong, but the concerns of how fast it'll happen and how the economy will react are overblown. And there's a fundamental issue that in a world with no employment, the cost-basis for goods starts approaching zero. Hyperdeflation.

The only real economic scarcity could become energy. And there are solutions to that already. At least technical/scientific ones. The barriers are largely political/social in nature. Meltdown proof, disaster-proof fission reactor designs are known. And add to it fast breeder reactors tech, mining ever more Uranium isn't an issue. Aggressive fuel reprocessing solves a great deal of the nuclear waste problem. Neutron activation/deactivation of secondary wastes solves more.

High capacity energy production from nuclear can solve many more problems. Mass desalination of seawater for agriculture and drinking in arid regions. Massive recycling of wastes that's currently too expensive. Even direct conversion of plastics and organic-carbon waste to produce carbon-neutral petrochemicals for the million-odd things we use them for besides fuel are possible.

And that's just fission, if one or more of the dozen-odd fusion methods being pursued pays off, or the trend of ever cheaper and more efficient solar panels keeps going, there's more sources of energy coming too.

First-world living standards seem to be well tied to shrinking non-replacement birthrates and population contraction.

Free or nearly free goods, ever higher technology, and a shrinking population that doesn't even need as much food, goods, energy, or raw materials... we may ultimately be looking at the wrong problems.

And I'm sure some will grumble that they feel it's inevitable. There's going to be a high-tech billionaire class and a world of serfs coming. Although it seems to me that economic oppression just for its own sake is a potential false premise. Even beyond the basic zero-sum game fallacies. Cynical enlightened self-interest alone could conceivably prevent it. A world where everyone lives in comparable comfort and luxury is a world not inclined to do the whole "pitchforks and torches"-thing.

In the meantime, we'll have to wait and see how many "Automobiles" vs. "Tractors" come out of AI and machine learning.

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ShittyBeatlesFCPres t1_j11gpw1 wrote

I think education, creative, and social jobs will grow.

Like if AI writes basic code, you might need more educated programmers to find bugs or inefficient things in the code that the AI model made. OpenAI writes credible looking code now but it’s often got subtle mistakes a novice wouldn’t catch. So, programmers might spend more time in college to learn enough to enter the field of editing AI code. Maybe professional degrees become required (like it now for law and medicine) so more expert instructors are needed.

Another scenario where AI creates jobs is creative jobs that currently have a high cost of entry. Like camera filters and video editing software didn’t mean less jobs taking photos and producing videos. It democratized those tasks and allowed for jobs like YouTubers and influencers. Imagine AI tools make video game asset creation and coding relatively trivial and intuitive so games can be made by individuals.

And for services: the cheapest, most efficient way to exercise isn’t group classes but lots of people prefer the communal, human led experience and pay more for it. Therapists. Spa services. Hiking guides. Probably gigolos and male strippers. AI will never replace stud muffins. Any job where old people yell at you and ask for your manager. Only a human can be dehumanized.

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considerableforsight t1_j11lqub wrote

What changes need to be made to the bill of rights due to the increasing competence of AI.

Through the Bill of Rights I am guaranteed rights against the powers of government. We still have no Bill of Rights protecting us against the powers of companies. We need a Bill of Rights protecting us against the powers of artificial intelligence.

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