Submitted by Environmental_Log344 t3_112j1fa in Connecticut
Does anyone have an update on why?
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AfterMoonSet t1_j8lsoyr wrote
Yes. I don't why anyone in CT who wants to be a nurse would go to one of those for profit schools while our public schools are great for nursing. UConn and the CSUs or one of the community colleges to become a LPN.
Beachynurse t1_j8mephw wrote
Because only those for profit schools teach LPNs in the state of Connecticut. The state technical high schools used to teach LPN as an adult education program, but that stopped several years ago, I believe due to funding.
Those students choose those schools because the admission process is so easy. The entrance exam is a joke. They don't require prerequisites like the RN programs at the community colleges. They only care about you being able to sign for the student loan.
AfterMoonSet t1_j8niqjy wrote
And the patients suffer. Hoping through that the hospitals don't hire from those schools.
Environmental_Log344 OP t1_j8p70s1 wrote
That's true now but I know from experience that it was not that way in the 90's. The business schools used to do a great job but the easy availability of government loans brought out shady business people and by the time I moved on in 2000, it had started to get unethical. It became a real loan racket and I left without looking back.
silasmoeckel t1_j8mjk6h wrote
Nowhere near enough capacity and for the RN program there is some funky admissions lottery.
More someplace charing 2x market is probably just in it for the money.
solomons-marbles t1_j8l41ci wrote
For profit education is bad and generally a scam. It might have something to do w this… https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/school-and-owner-pay-over-1-million-resolve-allegations-attempts-improperly-influence#:~:text=Stone%20Academy%20is%20a%20for,Higher%20Education%20Act%20of%201965.
Environmental_Log344 OP t1_j8p47kj wrote
Not all for-profits were bad in their day. I worked at a small for-profit in the 90's. It was run by two doctors and supplied the area with solidly trained medical assistants. The training was better than high school and less than college. It filled a niche: not every young person is meant for college but they needed training to be employable. The school was ethical and cared about its contribution to the workforce. But it had to close as the cost became too great for the owners to pass along to students.
I don't think there is much awareness of how helpful these training schools were for lower-middle class students. It helped them with upward mobility, without the fast food stage. We don't have these schools now that can be trusted like that school was. It's really a loss.
AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_j8klh99 wrote
“The Office of Higher Education has been notified by Stone Academy that it intends to close,” said Timothy D. Larson, Executive Director of the Office of Higher Education in a statement. “For many months, our office has been working with the school to address a number of serious compliance issues that included unqualified faculty, invalid student clinical experiences and recording attendance.”
The OHE is offering guidance to affected students as the school closes, including "accessing transcripts, tuition refunds, loan discharges and adjustments to veteran’s benefits, and providing support for those students who intend to continue their course of study at another school."
The office is also evaluating a series of complaints regarding the quality of education at Stone Academy and the below 80% pass rate across the three campuses.
Students who have paid out of pocket for tuition, due to the school’s closure, may be eligible for a partial refund. To apply for a refund from the State of Connecticut Student Protection Account, please visit: redacted. Refunds will be proportional to the portion of the program not yet completed. For example, a student that has completed 50% of their program, will receive a refund of half of the tuition paid. Refunds will be of tuition only; no refunds will be issued for fees or supplies.
Environmental_Log344 OP t1_j8p6g0u wrote
This would have been less painful if they let the students know the school was on shaky ground for a long time. I question allowing classes to go on at all once the OHE became aware of what was going on.
AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_j8p7m90 wrote
With regulatory compliance* there's usually a notice and an opportunity to cure. Only after refusing or failing to cure does the agency move to enforcement, and that's usually only fines.
Environmental_Log344 OP t1_j8p8cu9 wrote
Stone Academy just ruined a few lives. If they knew they were about to tank, which they would know from the agency noticing them, they just got whatever they could get before the agency acted. Then they jumped ship. Of course, we were not there to really judge what was happening but it sounds like they could have come clean to the students before a fresh round of semester loans came up.
AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_j8pggl5 wrote
For profit colleges. Of course they aren't going to tell the students they're about a tank. They will take every last check, and then stiff their workers too; their directors and officers are likely legally obligated to do so, lest the investors be the ones defrauded. Betsy DeVos probably owns the equity fund that probably owns this school. Fuck a refund, we need to start eating these people. Richest country ever to exist, college or trade school should be free for anyone that wants to attend and gets accepted to a program.
Environmental_Log344 OP t1_j8pkysp wrote
You are right, except there are public high schools that offer trades. And I think community colleges are about to be free?
Agreed. Telling everyone their dilemma would just rush the process. They used that evaluation period to wipe up as much as they could. Poor students, went there for a high price and won't even get that worthless certificate of completion. Or the non-existent job placement assistance. Boy, have times changed.
Can you elaborate on this: "workers too; their directors and officers are likely legally obligated to do so, lest the investors be the ones defrauded". It isn't clear about the obligated party.
AhbabaOooMaoMao t1_j8pm2gh wrote
The directors and officers of a corporation owe a fiduciary duty to shareholders, not to customers. If the directors or officers do something unreasonable and tank the corporation's value, the shareholders or ownership can sue the directors or officers for the breach of duty. That could include revealing information that would benefit customers to the company's detriment.
They might also screw their workers by closing the doors without notice and then not issuing final paychecks or honoring other compensation obligations.
Prudent-Ball2698 t1_j8kry22 wrote
So how am I gonna educate my boulders now? Hire a tutor? Not in this economy
SpiderMuse t1_j8mmk0d wrote
It's ridiculous that those students aren't receiving full refunds. They put all that work into an education with an expectation that it's worth something.
adultdaycare81 t1_j8ne6ab wrote
They spent all their money on Radio ads instead of educating students.
Pancrat t1_j8lnxfi wrote
Shit lol I did business with them…
Travisx t1_j8pm6q3 wrote
I suspect it has to do with the 7600 fake nursing diplomas issued in Florida scheme (in NY times). I read that 20% of Stones instructors were not licenced to teach the classes they were. Bad governance in other states causing damage here.
RededHaid t1_j8keyxb wrote
google it
Environmental_Log344 OP t1_j8kn1c8 wrote
Gee, thanks.
silasmoeckel t1_j8kjmtd wrote
Lets see teachers not qualified for nursing and the students can't pass the test the required 80% for the same.
We desperately need nurses but this places was 2x the national average for a nursing degree while putting out unprepared students.